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Skype security flaw leaves user locations vulnerable

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New York University’s Polytechnic Institute has discovered a Skype security flaw that leaves Skype users’ locations and P2P sharing activity accessible to hackers.

The security hole was discovered while NYU scientists monitored 10,000 Skype users and 20 volunteers during a two-week period. “A hacker anywhere in the world could easily track the whereabouts and file-sharing habits of a Skype user – from private citizens to celebrities and politicians – and use the information for purposes of stalking, blackmail or fraud,” professor Keith Ross from computer science NYU-Poly’s computer science program said. Hackers can also keep track of a Skype user’s movements as he or she places calls from various locations. The scientists were able to follow a Skype user during a vacation from New York to Chicago and then all the way home to France, Financial Post explained. “A fairly straightforward and inexpensive fix would prevent hackers from taking the critical first step in this security breach – that of obtaining users’ IP addresses through inconspicuous calling,” the scientists said. Skype chief information officer Adrian Asher said his company will work to improve the security of Skype’s software.

Users of the world’s most popular Internet telephony service may be inadvertently putting themselves at risk of having their physical location and other personal details stolen, experts warn.

Tracking the Skype activities of 20 volunteers and a random sample of 10,000 other users over two weeks, researchers at New York University’s Polytechnic Institute found hackers could not only discover where each user placed each call, but also their peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing activity. Their findings were published last month and reported by security software provider Symantec Corp. on Thursday.

“A hacker anywhere in the world could easily track the whereabouts and file-sharing habits of a Skype user – from private citizens to celebrities and politicians – and use the information for purposes of stalking, blackmail or fraud,” Keith Ross, professor of computer science at NYU-Poly, warns in a news release.

Even if a user does not log into Skype for as much as 72 hours their information is still accessible, the researchers said. Malicious callers do not need to be on a users contact list to track their location and the data can even be obtained if the user configures their Skype account to block calls from non-contacts.

In one example described in their findings, the researchers were able to accurately follow one of their 20 volunteers from New York to a vacation in Chicago, a return to a New York, lodging in Brooklyn, then home to France.

“If we had followed the mobility of the Facebook friends of this user as well, we likely would have determined who he was visiting and when,” the authors said.

In another experiment, the researchers compared the most popular downloads on commonly-used P2P services such as BitTorrent, eMule and Xunlei. Once they had discovered a user’s IP address (which allows them to find a users physical location through their Internet Service Provider or ISP) through Skype, the researchers were able to determine which files had been transferred to that address.

“A fairly straightforward and inexpensive fix would prevent hackers from taking the critical first step in this security breach – that of obtaining users’ IP addresses through inconspicuous calling,” the authors conclude.

Skype, which was acquired for US$8.5-billion in cash by Microsoft Corp. seven months ago, proclaims itself as the world’s largest voice over Internet protocol (VoIP) provider. More than 600 million people have registered for the service since it was launched in 2003 and Skype reportedly accounts for 20% of all overseas voice calls.

“Just as with typical Internet communications software, Skype users who are connected may be able to determine each other’s IP addresses,” Adrian Asher, chief information security officer, told the Financial Post in an emailed statement.

“Through research and development, we will continue to make advances in this area and improvements to our software.”

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Researchers Reveal Skype Stalking Flaw

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Researchers have revealed a vulnerability in the Skype voice over IP (VoIP) service that can reveal the location, identity and content of downloads. Skype can track users because once a call is established, the IP addresses of the callers are revealed to one another’s devices. Commercial geo-IP mapping services can then show the approximate location of the callers and their Internet service providers (ISPs).

Online stalking and P2P access
By using this glitch in Skype operation, a caller can be followed – even if they are not on the tracker’s contact list and it still works if the setting to block calls from non-contacts has been set.

This was done by the researchers by initiating a call, blocking a few packets and then rapidly ending the call. If this was done fast enough, Skype did not alert the user with a pop-up, or even trigger the phone to ring. If repeated over a period of time, the sequential locations of the IP addresses can form a trace of a caller’s movements. The process is repetitive so it could be easily automated.

In a statement, the Polytechnic of New York in the US (NYU-Poly), one of the three research establishments involved, warned: “Even when a user blocks callers or connects from behind a Network Address Translation (NAT) – a common type of firewall – it does not prevent the privacy risk.”Of greater concern is that Skype that can also reveal a user’s peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing activities, the researchers discovered. Also, by searching for  personal data on social sites, like Facebook or LinkedIn, a tracker could easily discover a potential target’s name, age, address, profession and employer to track down any Skype accounts.

Keith Ross, the Leonard J Shustek professor of Computer Science at NYU-Poly, said, “These findings have real security implications for the hundreds of millions of people around the world who use VoIP or P2P file-sharing service. A hacker anywhere in the world could easily track the whereabouts and file-sharing habits of a Skype user – from private citizens to celebrities and politicians – and use the information for purposes of stalking, blackmail or fraud.”

The research was undertaken by the French research institute INRIA at Sophia Antipolis, Max Planck Institute for Software Systems (MPI-SWS) in Saarbrücken, Germany, and the NYU-Poly. The team tracked the Skype accounts of about 20 volunteers as well as 10,000 random users over a two-week period.
In one example case, a volunteer was tracked through a visit to a New York university, followed by a vacation in Chicago, a return to the university, his lodgings in Brooklyn, and then to his home in France.
“If we had followed the mobility of the Facebook friends of this user as well, we likely would have determined who he was visiting and when,” the university statement said.
Skype, now owned by Microsoft, has yet to respond to the research findings.

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Skype flaw leaks users’ privacy

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Researchers have found a flaw in Skype, the popular Voice-over-internet-Protocol service which allows users to make video phone calls and internet chat with their computers. The vulnerability can expose your location, identity and the content you’re downloading. Microsoft, which owns Skype, says it is working on the problem.

The issue was uncovered earlier this year by a team of researchers from Polytechnic Institute of New York University (NYU-Poly), MPI-SWS in Germany and INRIA in France and included Keith Ross, Stevens Le Blond, Chao Zhang, Arnaud Legout and Walid Dabbous. The team presented the research in Berlin recently at the Internet Measurement Conference 2011 in a paper titled “I know where you are and what you are sharing.”

The researchers found several properties of Skype that can track not only users’ locations over time, but also their peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing activity, according to a summary of the findings on the NYU-Poly web site. Earlier this year, a German researcher found a cross-site scripting flaw in Skype that could allow someone to change an account password without the user’ consent.

“Even when a user blocks callers or connects from behind a Network Address Translation (NAT) – a common type of firewall – it does not prevent the privacy risk,” according to a release from NYU-Poly.

The research team tracked the Skype accounts of about 20 volunteers as well as 10,000 random users over a two-week period and found that callers using VoIP systems can obtain the IP address of another user when establishing a call with that person. The caller can then use commercial geo-IP mapping services to determine the other user’s location and Internet Service Provider (ISP).

The user can also initiate a Skype call, block some packets and quickly terminate the call to obtain an unsuspecting person’s IP address without alerting them with ringing or pop-up windows. Users do not need to be on a contact list, and it can be done even when a user explicitly configures Skype to block calls from non-contacts.

The research also revealed that marketers can easily link to information such as name, age, address, profession and employer from social media sites such as Facebook and LinkedIn in order to inexpensively build profiles on a single tracked target or a database of hundreds of thousands.

“We feel the implications are very severe,” Ross told CSO. “For example, a high-school hacker, or anyone with basic programming and hacking skills, could track, for example, all the Congressmen in the United States, or the employees of a company. The attack can be used by blackmailers, stalkers, or journalists looking for a racy story about a politician.”

Skype and Microsoft Corp. were informed of the researchers’ findings and The New York Times reports that Skype is aware of the issue.

“We value the privacy of our users and are committed to making our products as secure as possible,” Adrian Asher, Skype’s chief information security officer, said in a statement. “Just as with typical Internet communications software, Skype users who are connected may be able to determine each other’s IP address. Through research and development, we will continue to make advances in this area and improvements to our software.”

Ross said until the issue has been addressed, he recommends that Skype account holders not leave their Skype application running and only have it on when in use. He also recommends screen names not be closely related to a person’s actual name.

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Company director killed himself on Skype

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Suicidal Adrian Rowland was on a business assignment in India when he cut his own throat on camera while talking with his distraught partner in the UK. The shocked woman dialled 999 for the police in a desperate bid to alert authorities abroard to the plight of the 53-year-old who was dying in front of her on the computer screen. Medics in India eventually rushed to Mr Rowland's room where they found him in a pool of blood. Despite efforts to save his life, he was pronounced dead.

Mr Rowland's partner, ex-wife and children were being comforted at their homes near Reading, Berks.
The director, who had previously been employed as a manager for Formula One racing firm, Jordan Grand Prix, had been working in India for Adwest Engineering, a subsidiary of Magal Engineering based in Woodley, Berks., when he committed suicide.

Friends said that he and his partner, who lives in Reading, Berks., worked together at the Woodley firm. A spokes for the company refused to comment on the death, saying that it was a private family matter.
Jenny Rocket, PA to chief executive Gamil Magal, explained at the company's headquarters. "This is strictly a family matter and we won't be saying anything further."A spokesman for Thames Valley Police confirmed that patrol cars had been sent to an address in Reading shortly before midday on Sunday, following a call from the partner of father of three, Mr Rowland. "There was a concern for welfare and we sent officers to assist the caller and to try to contact authorities in India," said the spokesman. "We can confirm we received a call at 11.20am on Sunday regarding the fear for welfare of a man in India. Police were at the address within nine minutes.

"Officers then obtained information that could be passed on to the Indian authorities via the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and provide reassurance to the woman who made the report to us. "The man was traced but regrettably was later pronounced dead by doctors in India. Officers attended the address to inform the woman. "The matter is not being investigated by Thames Valley Police any further information regarding this matter should be directed to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office."A spokesman for the Foreign Office said: "We can confirm that a British National died in India on November 27. Staff are in touch with his next of kin and are providing consular assistance."

It was understood that Mr Rowland, a senior consultant at Magal Consulting Ltd., had been on assignment to India in search of new business opportunities for his firm which specialises in "training and guiding clients through lean business transformation."On the company website he described himself as an experienced managing director who had project-managed more than 15 business transformations. The website also stated he had production knowledge of F1 and production cars. Mr Rowland was the factory manager for four years at Jordan Grand Prix Ltd between 1996 and 2000. He had also worked as Managing Director for AP Driveline Technologies Ltd,, plant director at Dura Automative and MD at Barrett Engineering. He attended the university of Warwick where he studied engineering management between 1991 and 1993.

A friend, who asked not to be named, said that it was believed Mr Rowland and his partner had been experiencing difficulties with their long distance relationship. "I have heard that they were having a discussion about their future together when he suddenly produced a knife and killed himself in front of her as she watched him over the Skype camera. "It must have been the most horrendous thing imaginable. She was 7,000 miles away in the UK, unable to do anything to help him and she could see he had cut his throat but do anything to stop him.
"It's just terrible."

On a social networking site Mr Rowland listed his favourite sports team as the Indian Cricket team and claimed his favourite sportsman was Sachin Tendulkar. He listed his activities as gym and work and described his interests as keeping fit and playing the guitar. On a picture of a friend in Chennai, India he posted: "Been In India tooooo long!"Mr Rowland's body was still in India, awaiting inquiries by the authorities on the sub-continent. It was expected that his body would later be flown back to the UK where an inquest was likely to be conducted by the Berkshire coroner Peter Bedford.

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Skype flaw reveals users' location, file-downloading habits

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Researchers have found a flaw in Skype, the popular Voice-over-Internet-Protocol service which allows users to make video phone calls and internet chat with their computers. The vulnerability can expose your location, identity and the content you're downloading. Microsoft, which owns Skype, says they are working on the problem.

The issue was uncovered earlier this year by a team of researchers from Polytechnic Institute of New York University (NYU-Poly), MPI-SWS in Germany and INRIA in France and included Keith Ross, Stevens Le Blond, Chao Zhang, Arnaud Legout, and Walid Dabbous. The team presented the research in Berlin recently at the Internet Measurement Conference 2011 in a paper titled "I know where you are and what you are sharing."

The researchers found several properties of Skype that can track not only users' locations over time, but also their peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing activity, according to a summary of the findings on the NYU-Poly web site. Earlier this year, a German researcher found a cross-site scripting flaw in Skype that could allow someone to change an account password without the user' consent.

"Even when a user blocks callers or connects from behind a Network Address Translation (NAT) — a common type of firewall — it does not prevent the privacy risk," according to a release from NYU-Poly.

The research team tracked the Skype accounts of about 20 volunteers as well as 10,000 random users over a two-week period and found that callers using VoIP systems can obtain the IP address of another user when establishing a call with that person. The caller can then use commercial geo-IP mapping services to determine the other user's location and Internet Service Provider (ISP).

The user can also initiate a Skype call, block some packets and quickly terminate the call to obtain an unsuspecting person's IP address without alerting them with ringing or pop-up windows. Users do not need to be on a contact list, and it can be done even when a user explicitly configures Skype to block calls from non-contacts.

The research also revealed that marketers can easily link to information such as name, age, address, profession and employer from social media sites such as Facebook and LinkedIn in order to inexpensively build profiles on a single tracked target or a database of hundreds of thousands.

"We feel the implications are very severe," Ross told CSO. "For example, a high-school hacker, or anyone with basic programming and hacking skills, could track, for example, all the Congressmen in the United States, or the employees of a company. The attack can be used by blackmailers, stalkers, or journalists looking for a racy story about a politician."

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Skype security flaw can expose user locations, researchers say

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Microsoft-owned Skype has a flaw that can expose users' locations, identities and, in some cases, what they are looking at or downloading, according to researchers at the Polytechnic Institute of NYU. A team of researchers, including NYU-Poly computer science professor Keith Ross, discovered that a user's Internet Protocol address is revealed through a call placed to that user -- even if they don't accept the call. A hacker could then use commercial geo-location mapping services to determine the user's location and track their peer-to-peer file-sharing activity.

“These findings have real security implications for the hundreds of millions of people around the world who use VoIP or P2P file-sharing services,” said Ross in a statement. “A hacker anywhere in the world could easily track the whereabouts and file-sharing habits of a Skype user - from private citizens to celebrities and politicians - and use the information for purposes of stalking, blackmail or fraud.”

The researchers tracked the Skype accounts of 20 volunteers and 10,000 random users over a two-week period and found they could create a detailed account of a user's daily activities even if the user hadn't used Skype for three days. Ross said the privacy weaknesses are easy enough to exploit that a sophisticated teenage hacker could execute similar attacks. The New York Times reports that Skype is aware of the issue:

“We value the privacy of our users and are committed to making our products as secure as possible,” Adrian Asher, Skype's chief information security officer, said in a statement. “Just as with typical Internet communications software, Skype users who are connected may be able to determine each other’s IP address. Through research and development, we will continue to make advances in this area and improvements to our software.”

The researchers say that redesigning the Skype protocol so that a user’s IP address is never revealed unless the call is accepted would provide more privacy. Until then, users concerned about security should log out when not using Skype and create a Skype handle that has no relationship to their real names.

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Skype Can Expose Your Location, Researchers Say

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Remember when a prankster could make himself a general nuisance by calling your home phone and quickly hanging up?

The equivalent of a prank call on Skype, the popular voice-over-Internet-Protocol service, can be much more than a nuisance. If you are logged in to Skype, a prankster – or thief or spy – can effectively track where you are and in some circumstances, what you do and even what you download, according to an experiment led by Keith Ross, a computer science professor at the Polytechnic Institute of New York University in Brooklyn.

Mr. Ross, along with his collaborators at the French computer research institute, Inria, followed 10,000 randomly selected Skype users over 16 days. If a user’s Skype application was running, the researchers could call inconspicuously and, in the process of placing the call, glean the user’s Internet Protocol address. Every hour, the researchers logged an I.P. address for each user. That address could in turn be used to determine the user’s geographic location – in some cases, right down to the ZIP code.

The researchers then winnowed the large sample to a handful of volunteers who agreed to let themselves be tracked. In one example, one Skype user was seen logging in to Skype from the network of a New York City university, followed by a visit to Chicago, a return to the university and then to his home in France.

Those whose Skype handles are identical or similar to their real names are that much more visible. The researchers could potentially find much more about them on a variety of social networks. “If we had followed the mobility of the Facebook friends of this user as well, we likely would have determined who he was visiting and when,” the researchers said.

It is not enough to refuse a Skype call from a stranger. In a peer-to-peer network, just establishing a connection between two peers is enough to reveal an I.P. address. That I.P. address can then also be used to look for what large files have been downloaded to that device using BitTorrent, a peer-to-peer system that is most commonly used to share pirated movies and music.

Skype, which is owned by Microsoft, said it was aware of the issue. “We value the privacy of our users and are committed to making our products as secure as possible,” Adrian Asher, the company’s chief information security officer, said in a statement. “Just as with typical Internet communications software, Skype users who are connected may be able to determine each other’s IP address. Through research and development, we will continue to make advances in this area and improvements to our software.”

Mr. Ross, the computer science professor, suggested the following precautionary measures to avid Skype users. It’s probably best not to leave your Skype application running all the time, just when you are planning to make or receive a call. Users are also slightly more protected if they choose a Skype handle that is different from their real name.

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Skype ‘Impatient’ With Wireless Operators Pushes for U.K. Network Deals

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Skype Technologies SA unit will step up negotiations with British mobile-phone operators that keep Internet-based calls off their networks after the country’s regulator indicated it may intervene.
Ofcom said last week restrictions on Skype’s services stifle innovation and it may take action if the blocking persists. Luxembourg-based Skype, the world’s most popular Web- calling service, complained to the government agency last year, saying its services are regularly impeded by mobile operators.
“You would expect us to be more impatient than Ofcom,” Jean-Jacques Sahel, head of European regulatory affairs at Skype, said in a telephone interview. “In Europe, there’s still a huge amount of restrictions.”

Major mobile-phone operators in the U.S. do not block Skype. Verizon Wireless, the largest carrier, has offered the software on some handsets since 2010. In contrast, Vodafone Group Plc (VOD) restricts access to Web-based calls on lower-priced subscriptions unless customers pay an extra 15 pounds ($23) a month. France Telecom SA (FTE) and Deutsche Telekom AG’s U.K. venture bans access to external services. The number of European consumers making calls using voice over Internet protocol technology, or VoIP, will rise to 150 million by 2016, generating about $2.9 billion in annual sales, according to Juniper Research.

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Deutsche Telekom rose 2.4 percent to 9.04 euros in Frankfurt trading as of 1:26 p.m. while France Telecom gained 2.6 percent to 12.02 euros in Paris and Vodafone climbed 1.1 percent to 168.25 pence in London.

Even as revenue from data traffic surges along with the use of Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone and handsets running Google Inc. (GOOG)’s Android software, the biggest European operators restrict Internet phone services to protect profits and counter declining sales from traditional voice calls and messaging.
Vodafone offers Internet calling if customers sign up for the appropriate data plan, said Ben Padovan, a spokesman for the Newbury, England-based company. A spokesman for Everything Everywhere, the venture between France Telecom and Deutsche Telekom, didn’t return calls seeking comment.
Neither Telefonica SA (TEF)’s O2 nor Hutchison Whampoa Ltd.’s 3 ban the service in the U.K., according to Ofcom.

Microsoft, which completed the takeover of Skype for $8.5 billion last month, plans to incorporate the service in its Windows Phone products as it competes with Apple and Google. While it will refrain from imposing minimum service-quality levels, the regulator will monitor how operators manage traffic, Ofcom said in a report released Nov. 24.

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“To have that extra hint from Ofcom is helpful and should allow us to continue the dialog,” Sahel said. “We need the few that lag behind to catch up.”Ofcom’s position is “very much a call to the market to sort it out,” Sahel said. Through meeting with operators within an industry group, Skype is seeking “some sort of commitment” to retain open access to services.

In its submission to Ofcom last year, Skype said its investment and marketing decisions depended on services being accessible by all users. The U.K. is losing investment to countries with more open standards and is “fast becoming a backwater,” Skype said.

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Skype ‘Impatient’ With Mobile Operators Pushes for U.K. Access

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Microsoft Corp.’s Skype Technologies SA unit will step up negotiations with British mobile-phone operators that keep Internet-based calls off their networks after the country’s regulator indicated it may intervene.

Ofcom said last week restrictions on Skype’s services stifle innovation and it may take action if the blocking persists. Luxembourg-based Skype, the world’s most popular Web- calling service, complained to the government agency last year, saying its services are regularly impeded by mobile operators.

“You would expect us to be more impatient than Ofcom,” Jean-Jacques Sahel, head of European regulatory affairs at Skype, said in a telephone interview. “In Europe, there’s still a huge amount of restrictions.”

Major mobile-phone operators in the U.S. do not block Skype. Verizon Wireless, the largest carrier, has offered the software on some handsets since 2010. In contrast, Vodafone Group Plc restricts access to Web-based calls on lower-priced subscriptions unless customers pay an extra 15 pounds ($23) a month. France Telecom SA and Deutsche Telekom AG’s U.K. venture bans access to external services.

Even as revenue from data traffic surges along with the use of Apple Inc.’s iPhone and handsets running Google Inc.’s Android software, the biggest European operators restrict Internet phone services to protect profits and counter declining sales from traditional voice calls and messaging.

Monitoring

Vodafone offers Internet calling if customers sign up for the appropriate data plan, said Ben Padovan, a spokesman for the Newbury, England-based company. A spokesman for Everything Everywhere, the venture between France Telecom and Deutsche Telekom, didn’t return calls seeking comment.

Neither Telefonica SA’s O2 nor Hutchison Whampoa Ltd.’s 3 ban the service in the U.K., according to Ofcom. Microsoft, which completed the takeover of Skype for $8.5 billion last month, plans to incorporate the service in its Windows Phone products as it competes with Apple and Google.

While it will refrain from imposing minimum service-quality levels, the regulator will monitor how operators manage traffic, Ofcom said in a report released Nov. 24. “To have that extra hint from Ofcom is helpful and should allow us to continue the dialog,” Sahel said. “We need the few that lag behind to catch up.”

Ofcom’s position is “very much a call to the market to sort it out,” Sahel said. Through meeting with operators within an industry group, Skype is seeking “some sort of commitment” to retain open access to services.

In its submission to Ofcom last year, Skype said its investment and marketing decisions depended on services being accessible by all users. The U.K. is losing investment to countries with more open standards and is “fast becoming a backwater,” Skype said.

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Skype scandal lawyer out of witness box

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A lawyer for one of the Australian Defence Force Academy cadets embroiled in the ''Skype scandal'' will not have to get in the witness box at a committal hearing after a magistrate ruled it was not in the interests of justice. But the prosecution says it will subpoena Department of Defence lawyer Francis Cahill and call him to give evidence in Daniel McDonald's Supreme Court trial.

McDonald, 19, is accused of filming a fellow cadet while having sex with her and streaming the footage to other cadets watching on a laptop in another room. He has pleaded not guilty to committing an act of indecency without consent and using a carriage service in an offensive manner.

A co-accused, 18-year-old Dylan De Blaquiere, has been committed to the ACT Supreme Court for trial accused of using a carriage service in an offensive manner. But McDonald is yet to be committed from the ACT Magistrates Court.

McDonald's barrister, Tony Burns, accused the prosecution of unnecessarily prolonging the matter and forcing his client to spend thousands on legal fees and flying lawyers from Melbourne.

He sought more than $6600 in costs - covering fees, flights and accommodation for Mr Cahill and himself - just for yesterday's case management hearing. But Prosecutor Kylie Weston-Scheuber opposed the order, described the sum as ''entirely excessive'' and suggested $500, if anything, would be more appropriate.

She noted the Supreme Court had reprimanded the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions for failing to question relevant witnesses before the trial.

The prosecution had sought to cross-examine Lieutenant Cahill in an ACT Magistrates Court committal hearing, a move Mr Burns described as ''ludicrous''. Ms Weston-Scheuber wanted to question Lieutenant Cahill over discussions with the cadets in the aftermath of the well-publicised scandal.

But Mr Burns said the Defence lawyer had been asked to speak to the pair by military hierarchy and was acting in a legal role at the time. The barrister argued his instructing solicitor was therefore covered by legal professional privilege and could not be called to give evidence.

''This will be the first time in Australian jurisprudence that a lawyer has ever been asked to give evidence about prior conversations he's had with his client in a criminal matter,'' Mr Burns said.

''It is, with the greatest respect, Your Honour, a ludicrous application and one I've never seen in my years of practice.''Chief Magistrate Lorraine Walker decided forcing the man into the box would not be in the interests of justice.

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